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I actually need to use bigger font for this:

AIRTRAN IS MADE OF ENORMOUS FAIL.
And here is the story:


 

On Thursday, July 30, I was scheduled on the 5:43 p.m. flight from Boston to Milwaukee, connecting to a flight to Minneapolis. I do not remember what time I was supposed to get into Minneapolis, but I think it was around 9:30.

On Thursday, I tried to check in online, but the AirTran website told me I couldn't and that I would have to check in when I got to the airport. Whatever.

I left work at 4 and was at the airport by 4:20 or so, which should have left me plenty of time. Except that AirTran's computer system was down. No one was able to do self-check-in as a result. Everyone had to go to the representative, whose systems weren't working properly, so it was complete chaos. They only had a few people working, and several of them could only do itineraries that were direct flights, which isn't very helpful in this day and age. I get in line, because I have no other option, and finally get to the front of the line around 5:00 or so.

I get up there and slide across my driver's license and say my final destination is Minneapolis, going through Milwaukee. We have the following conversation.

Him: Oh, you're not getting to Minneapolis tonight.
Me: What? Why not?
Him: The flight to Milwaukee is delayed two hours. You're not going to make your connection.
Me: But...is there a later flight to Minneapolis out of Milwaukee?
Him: No.
Me: So what are my options?
Him: There's a flight out of Boston tomorrow morning that'll get you into Minneapolis at 11:20.
Me: But I need to be in Minneapolis tomorrow morning by 10 a.m.
(A/N: This is because I was scheduled to be a panelist at 10 a.m. on the Friday.)
Him: That's not going to happen, it's impossible.
Me: It's, like, 17 hours from now. There are no other options?
Him: Well, you can fly to Atlanta tonight, stay overnight in Atlanta, and take a flight to Minneapolis from Atlanta tomorrow morning.
Me: Okay. And what time will that get me in?
Him: 9:40.
Me: And that's the earliest I can get into Minneapolis? 
Him: That's the earliest.
Me: What about other airlines? Can you look at other airlines and tell me what my options are there?
Him: No.
Me: Okay, so you're telling me there's no way I can get to Minneapolis before 9:40 tomorrow morning? How long a drive is it between Milwaukee and Minneapolis?
Him: I don't know.
Me: What happens if I stay overnight in Milwaukee instead of Atlanta?
Him: Won't get you in earlier.
Me: You can't get me on any other flight? Why is my flight delayed?
(A/N: Now this has all been very annoying up to this point, but it is about to get absurd, right here.)
Him: Weather in Boston.
(pause. I look at the bright, sunny day outside.)
Me: What?
Him: There's a weather hold in Boston.
Me: There's a weather hold in Boston? There's blue sky outside.
Him: There might be some blue sky, but I see some clouds, too.
(A/N: He was right. Gorgeous, puffy, white clouds.)
Me: So you're telling me all flights out of Boston are grounded right now because of weather?
Him: Yes. So what do you want to do?
Me: I guess fly me to Atlanta. Will you pay for my hotel room?
Him: No, because it's weather. It's not our fault.
Me: That's right, I forgot about the hurricane we're currently having in Boston. Silly me.

At which point the man gives me a boarding pass to Atlanta and then another flight out to Minneapolis. And then I walk over to the food court near the check-in desk, and I look at the departure televisions. There is a Midwest 5:40 p.m. flight going to Milwaukee out of Boston. That flight? Currently on time. All in all, almost every flight appears to be leaving on time, except for a few going to Newark. And at this point I sit down in the food court and just sob. Maybe this seems like a silly thing to do, but, truthfully, I live my life constantly on the verge of tears. It doesn't take much to push me over the edge. And I know at this point they're lying to me, but I'm completely powerless and there's nothing I can do. I gather my composure, call my mother to tell her the situation so she knows that my flight times are all different, and promptly begin crying again, and then I feel like an idiot, because I try not to worry people by being a wreck in front of them. My mother is on her own plane, because she and my father flew out to Florida the same night I was scheduled to leave for Minneapolis. They flew out of Providence, and they weren't really having issues. My mother must have called my sisters, because they both called me to see how I was, and by then I'd gathered myself a bit. jlrpuck had e-mailed me that Northwest had a flight to Minneapolis out of Boston scheduled to leave at 6:05. She suggested I check that out, so I did. Northwest flies out of another terminal, so I had to walk over there. I called Northwest on the way, and got their customer service representative. They were *awesome,* and immediately helped me. The 6:05 flight was leaving on time (SHOCKING, CONSIDERING THE TERRIBLE WEATHER IN BOSTON), but they couldn't sell me a ticket because by then it was almost 6, so I'd never have made it. Northwest had two other flights out of Boston to Minneapolis that would get me there by 10 a.m. I explained my situation to the Northwest woman and said I was going to call AirTran and see if they would refund my ticket, because, if I was going to buy another plane ticket, I was getting my money back for the first. The Northwest woman was bewildered by the "weather ground" in Boston. She did, however, say that it was "possible" for AirTran to be taking a route to Milwaukee that may have grounded their plane. But she said it the way people don't want to say that other people are liars. chicklet73 looked at the radar for me and told me there was nothing within miles of Boston.

I called AirTran customer service, because I didn't want to go back and wait in that ridiculous line. I explained the situation, including the fact that I knew there wasn't weather in Boston grounding my plane. The woman then said, vaguely, "Oh, the weather's in Baltimore. Well, it's all up and down the East Coast, really." Ah. Really? Fascinating. I told her that Northwest seemed to be oddly unaffected by this weather that was plaguing AirTran, and that I wanted my money back so I could go buy a ticket with Northwest. Then the woman and I had this conversation: 

Her: I can't give you your money back, because you didn't pay for the ticket with a credit card.
(pause)
Me: Of course I paid for the ticket with a credit card. You think I showed up at the airport with cash and bought a plane ticket?
Her: You paid for your original ticket with a credit card. You changed your original flight to a flight connecting in Atlanta, so the ticket you currently hold was bought by a credit when you traded your original ticket in.
(pause)
Me: So you're saying that, because of the incompetence of your airline, I can't get my money back? 
Her: Well, I can give you a credit toward future travel--
Me: You're a lunatic.

Er, then I may have hung up on her. But I was losing my patience. Well. I'd already lost it, really.

I'd promised Youngest Sister (Younger Sister was at work, so poor Youngest Sister was handling all of this for me) I'd call her when I was done with Northwest. Logan has these lovely white rocking chairs they line up between terminals. So I sat in one of them and called her and cried again. And, again, I know this was silly, but I'd been really, really looking forward to being on the panel. I spend a lot of time in my life really hating what I do. Writing is something I like. And I was so flattered and delighted to be invited to do something because someone respected something that I liked to do. It was like this whole other side of me that I feel is dying day by day, the longer I keep getting up and going to my office and sitting there and writing nasty letters to people that then never accomplish anything. All of a sudden, AirTran preventing me from going to this panel felt like it was the shutting-off of any possibility that I would ever be anything but a lawyer. And I know that's not true, I know it seems ridiculous, but that's what it felt like. And the idea that they could do their job this incompetently, with me powerless to make them do it better, whereas I have to run around cancelling plans at the whims of my bosses all the time and would be fired if I was this incompetent, just made me extra-furious. 

After talking to my sister, I decided that I would go trade in my Atlanta connection for the flight out of Boston the following day. I had no confidence AirTran would land my plane in Minneapolis at 9:40 the following morning, and if I wasn't going to make my panel, it was silly to pay for a hotel room. I would stay in Boston for the night, and I would call arctacuda to go dinner with me so I wasn't alone. But first, I made Youngest Sister gather evidence for me. Because, hey, much as I may want to be more than a lawyer, I spend the vast amount of my time being just that. Then I went and calmly waited in line. I got up to the front, and I was pleased to be not the least bit close to tears. I was just FURIOUS. Which is a good thing to be.

I gave a speech. "Look," I said. "I was on your 5:43 flight to Milwaukee. Which you told me was grounded due to weather in Boston. I'm not an idiot, okay? The Midwest flight to Milwaukee left Boston on time at 5:40 and is currently in the air over New York. Northwest had a flight to Minneapolis that took off slightly delayed, at 6:12 p.m. So don't tell me anything about weather in Boston. I have no idea what the problem is with your flights. What I do know is that I told you I needed to be in Minneapolis by 10 a.m. tomorrow. That gave you 15 hours to get me to Minneapolis. And nobody employed by your airline helped me with this at all. I do a lot of flying, and I have never encountered an airline as unhelpful as yours has been tonight. On my own, by calling one airline, I found three other options to get me to Minneapolis before 10 a.m. So it didn't even take any effort to find me a solution. Which is not surprising, since your airline is the only one affected by this mysterious weather in Boston. You just weren't interested in helping me get to my destination at all, which I find appalling. And I know I'm just one person, and I know you don't care about me, but I do a lot of flying, and I have a lot of friends, and they are all going to hear about this."

And do you know what happened, after this grand speech of mine? The woman wouldn't even look at me. I could tell she was mad. Which, like, whatever. Because I was mad. I try not to be the difficult customer, but really now. While clacking angrily on her keyboard, she said, "What do you want me to do?"

I replied, "Well, I want you to get me to Minneapolis by 10 a.m. tomorrow, but you're telling me there's no way you can do that, right?"

She confirmed that.

I said, "Fine. Right now, I'm booked to go to Atlanta, but I am not confident of your airline's ability to leave Atlanta on time tomorrow, so I'm giving up on that, and I want you to book me out of Boston tomorrow."

Then, er, I may have gotten really sarcastic, because she said, "What time do you want to leave Boston tomorrow?" (all without looking at me, of course) and I said, "You know what? Why don't you tell me when you would like me to leave Boston tomorrow, since clearly when I want to leave Boston is tonight, but what I want doesn't matter. So let me know what works for your schedule, and I'll work my life around it and then pay you for the honor of it."
 
My mother called while this woman was switching my ticket over, probably to make sure I was better, and I told her I was and that I was switching my ticket and that I was going to call arctacuda. And my call waiting clicked, and I glanced at it. "Oh," I said to my mother. "This is Youngest Sister, let me get this."

AND HERE IS WHERE THINGS GET REALLY SHOCKINGLY TERRIBLE. Because all of this that has happened so far? Whatever. Were they lying about weather in Boston? Yes, almost certainly. Where they unhelpful about calling other airlines? Yes, definitely. But were they obligated to do anything more for me than what they were doing? Not really, sadly. Your rights when you are an airline passenger and your airline is playing the weather card seem to be shockingly few. (Haven't done any real research on this, it just seems that way.) But what happened THEN? I  WILL TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED THEN. THIS CONVERSATION:

Youngest Sister: Did you say you were flying through Atlanta?
Me: Yeah, but I'm switching that now.
Youngest Sister: They have a flight out of Atlanta at 11:30 that would get you into Minneapolis at 1 a.m.
Me: Who does?
Youngest Sister: AirTran.
(pause)
Me: Wait,  tonight? They have a flight tonight?
Youngest Sister: Yup.
Me: (to Youngest Sister) Hold on. (to AirTran Woman) Do you have a flight out of Atlanta tonight at 11:30, that would get me into Minneapolis at 1 a.m.?
AirTran Woman: Yes.
Youngest Sister: Oh, I'd lean over and smack her.
Me: I just gave you a whole speech about how I needed to be in Minneapolis by 10 a.m. tomorrow, and you didn't think it was important to mention to me that you have a flight THAT WOULD GET ME THERE BY 10 A.M. TOMORROW?
AirTran Woman: That flight is full.
Me: Can I fly standby?
AirTran Woman: You can try.
Me: Then I'd like to try that, please. I was flying through Atlanta anyway and prepared to pay for a room overnight. Why would you not tell me that this option existed?
AirTran Woman: (silence; clacks angrily on her keyboard)
Me: (to Youngest Sister) Thank you, Youngest Sister. You have done AirTran's job for them, I appreciate it. Thank God I am not relying on the people who are actually working for this airline.
(A/N: I, er, may have been more furious at this point than at any other point in the entire debacle. Because, SERIOUSLY NOW.)

AirTran Woman issued me my tickets to and out of Atlanta and my standby slip. I took it. I said thank you, without meaning it. We had done the entire transaction without her ever looking at me.

The flight to Atlanta was--SHOCKINGLY--delayed. But so was the connecting flight out of Atlanta. The AirTran people were once again not giving anyone any information, so I had Youngest Sister looking up the connecting information for everyone sitting around me for the flight out of Boston. Youngest Sister also said, "Your 11:30 flight out of Atlanta is showing 46 seats available. Do not let them tell you that this flight is full."

But they didn't try to tell me that. I got on the flight without issue, easily, which makes it even more astonishing to me that if it hadn't been for my little sister, sitting in front of a computer and delaying a night out with friends to figure this out for me, this option would never have been given to me and I would have missed my panel. The woman who sat next to me on the connecting flight out of Atlanta had started her day, hours earlier, in Charlotte. She, too, had been told weather was the issue, although she'd been told weather in Atlanta. She said she'd been doing a survey, and every passenger had been told weather, but the weather seemed to drift around the country, never really in the same location twice.

LYING LIARS WHO LIE.

Ugh. But I finally got there. Thank God for all the people around me--none of whom are on AirTran's salary--who worked to make that happen. And then I had a great time, which I promise to share in another entry.

On Saturday night, I again couldn't check in online for my flight. (I was a little drunk, so I actually sent a ridiculous complaining e-mail to AirTran about this. I plan to send AirTran a letter about the rest of my experience, which I am going to very carefully craft [leaving out all my hysteria]. And then also post to Consumerist, on jlrpuck and ginamak's recommendation, I think.) Then I got to the airport and had this conversation with the lady at the check-in desk.

Her: You already checked in, did you lose your boarding pass?
Me: No, your website doesn't work. It just always tells me that I can't check in.
Her: Oh. Well, your flight into Boston is delayed.
Me: Is it? Imagine that.
Her: Yeah, there's weather in Boston.
Me: Shocking.

 

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Date: 2009-08-09 03:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aibhinn.livejournal.com
*Attaches the Icon Which Says It All, because I have no words*

EDIT: Er, that would be THIS icon. Sorry.
Edited Date: 2009-08-09 03:02 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-08-09 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] earlgreytea68.livejournal.com
Despite how long my entry on this is, there really *are* no words.

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Date: 2009-08-09 03:06 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kaffy_r
This is ... there are no words. I will never ever consider flying that airline, and will actively advise anyone I know who is considering flying the airline not to do so.

Date: 2009-08-09 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] earlgreytea68.livejournal.com
I know. The whole thing is absolutely astonishing. I fly *a lot,* and have never experienced anything like this before. Which is why I'm hoping to spread the word. Stuff like this should not be rewarded.
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Date: 2009-08-09 05:19 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-08-09 03:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reve-silencieux.livejournal.com
First off - I feel your pain. I cry at EVERYTHING. I wish I didn't or that I could control it, but no.

Second - I caught the tail end of a show about travel tips. Apparently there's a rule called '240' that most of the big legacy airlines adhere to. It says that they have to book you with another airline unless it was caused by weather. Obviously that's why they used that weather excuse for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_240

It's something they obviously don't advertise but I think you have major cause to create a stink since you had proof that there was no weather issues.

Date: 2009-08-09 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] earlgreytea68.livejournal.com
I never used to cry at everything, it is a distressing habit I've developed as I've grown older.

Yeah, I think I knew that I was out of luck if they were saying "weather," but I didn't know the actual origins of that. And I don't know what to do if they're saying "weather" when there's clearly no weather.

Date: 2009-08-09 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elrina753.livejournal.com
I work in the airline industry and have not heard a single complementary thing about AirTran. Every thing I've heard about them has been negative and nearly everyone I've talked to who has flown on them has some sort of horror story.

I do know that if a plane takes a delay or is canceled because of weather the airline is under no obligation to put up its customers or provide them with tickets on other carriers. They only do those things when the delay or cancellation is their fault - like a mechanical issue with the plane. That being said I would not be surprised at all if AirTran was claiming "weather" as the cause just to weasel out of having to spend money. I've seen other Airlines do the same thing (JetBlue I'm looking at you): cancel a flight just because there MIGHT be weather even though the other airlines are operating business as usual. I can't fathom why they do this, since I don't work in that area of the industry but from what I've seen grounding a plane for weather (when the airport itself is still open and operating) is a very very subjective area and open for interpretation.

I'm sorry you had to deal with them. Having your very own AirTran horror story is something better off skipped. Although I love that you gave them hell for it. They deserve everything they get in that regard.

Date: 2009-08-09 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] earlgreytea68.livejournal.com
I've had issues with JetBlue and the weather excuse, too, but I won my argument with them on that and they did pay for my room (they stranded me overnight in JFK on my way back to D.C. from Aruba).

I agree that it's all very subjective, and obviously I would rather be inconvenienced than die in a plane crash, but I just felt very taken advantage of by then. I paid money for their service, and then they just treated me as if their provision of a flight to me was a charitable thing they were doing out of the goodness of their hearts, and I should shut up and take what I could get. I felt bad for taking out my frustration on the individual workers, because I know that they didn't have anything to do with the flight being delayed, but they *did* have stuff to do with not being helpful in the aftermath, and they deserved some sarcasm.

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Date: 2009-08-09 03:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dark-aegis.livejournal.com
Wow. That's rather shocking. I'd actually recommend contacting someone from National Geographic Traveler (like this guy: celliott@ngs.org) who is an omsbudsman for Nat Geo Traveler. He might be able to help with dealing with those idiots at Air Tran. Yes, you managed to get there after the whole fiasco, but it was ridiculous that they told you they couldn't give you a refund, etc.

Date: 2009-08-09 01:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dqbunny.livejournal.com
That's exactly who I was going to suggest, but didn't have access to his name at work. This guy is pretty brilliant, and your story would be an excellent one for him to showcase. It would be all sorts of wonderful bad publicity for AirTran.

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Date: 2009-08-09 03:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yanks-02.livejournal.com
That is utterly ridiculous. I've never even attempted to fly air tran (I'm pretty sure they don't fly down here) but now even if I could, I wouldn't. I had a horrible experience on US Airways once (well, actually, two times but the last time was about 1982109 times worse than the first) and I resolved to never fly them again. I wrote a strongly worded letter and got offered a free flight and then told them where they could stick their free flight because I was never going to fly their airline again even if were free.

Date: 2009-08-09 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] earlgreytea68.livejournal.com
To be honest, most airlines are pretty terrible. I've flown US Airways a lot, and I've had issues with them, but I've had issues with almost every major carrier out there. What I've never encountered is the epic levels of rudeness, unhelpfulness, and outright deception that was practiced by AirTran. It was ridiculous.
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Date: 2009-08-09 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] earlgreytea68.livejournal.com
I have unusually bad travel luck. But that was bad, even for me.
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Part 1

Date: 2009-08-09 03:41 am (UTC)
veracity: (SGA - Rodney Genius)
From: [personal profile] veracity
Surprising, I'm a completely random stranger but my friend linked me to your AirTran post. Let's just say, I completely understand you frustration. If you went to the Customer Service desk in Atanta, I'm so sorry. So, so sorry.

On the 5th, we were to fly to New Orleans on AirTran. We get there at like 4, try to check in at 5, but hey, they weren't taking people's names. Just "misconnected" people. I guess all the people they screwed over. They also didn't inform us that the gates had changed. (Since you went through Atlanta, I'm sure you know the difference from C-19 to C-11 in the terminal, distance-wise.) In that hour, we went and had a short meal at the restaurant, getting back with at least 15 minutes to spare to check in. (Apparently, I was on the flight without a seat number. I have no idea why. AirTran is just cracked.)

Well, we're sitting there and then we here "last call for the New Orleans flight at C-11." Booking it with my fairly cripped 76-year-old mother, we get there...and miss the boarding by about 30 seconds. Now, the timing is suspect since they must have called right as they left. Considering passengers to the...I wanna say Charlotte flight after us, said that they also gave away the seats to standby before closing the door. As such, I was furious. Because NO ONE TOLD US the gate had changed! Not once, even when we asked! And it turns out it wasn't just us. There were at least 6-8 other people who missed their flight, too.

So my mom goes to customer service after several of us confront some other AirTran worker, irate as we were. One of the passengers walked through the shut door and set off the alarms. The plane hadn't left yet! So I don't see why we couldn't get on. If they were on standby, too bad. We had actual tickets for the flight. The worker was not happy and we were even more unhappy. Did I mention irate?

My mom goes and gets tickets. Surprisingly, it was only 6pm and there were no other flights to New Orleans until 8am the next day. My mom got tickets while I waited at the gate. I'm livid by now. They called my mom a lying liar that lies. When a good number missed the flight as well and no one us were flying together. Oh, heck no.

I march up the customer service, growing madder and madder as time went by. I finally get up there and I talk to the customer service guy. Who. Was. Smirking. Oh, no. I've had it. Because we tried to check in at 5 already. An HOUR early. But no one would let us since I needed to check my seat number. I was like "we tried at 5 and no one would let us." His reply "well, if there were people on missed flights, they take priority." Wait. What? Shouldn't the people ON THE FLIGHT take priority so they don't have MORE people with missed flights? I really tried to check myself. I did! But it didn't work.

I was explained rather vocally that it wasn't our fault. We tried to check in again at 15 minutes til and no one told us. I was then told "you weren't proactive enough." Excuse me? It's not MY job to know THEIR schedule. At any given time. That's why they're paid, not me. So he was talking down to me like I was a mentally-stunted turnip and I finally blew up. I'd had it. Nothing but trouble since we got to the gate. C-19, that is. So I called him a "piece of [excrement]" and walked away. And I was loud. On purpose. I don't take kindly to their failure being blamed on me.

So we finally finally get back to the terminal to use that blasted pink slip (I'm sure you had one if you changed) and it turns out we have to pay for the overnight change. Excuse me? I'm sorry, what? You failed to inform customers and allow them to ask questions beforehand...and it's my fault? Really, dude? So I finally picked the Westin Airport. It was expensive, but I knew it would have room service and we were so tired by that point, we just wanted to eat and sleep. Since we'd have to wake up at 4:30 to get to the airport by 6 and on our plane by 8. (Yay going through security TWICE at Hartsfield. That is in no way stupid or repetitive.)

Part 2

Date: 2009-08-09 03:42 am (UTC)
veracity: (SGA - Sheppard Snarky)
From: [personal profile] veracity
We get to the hotel, we pay, we eat, and sleep. The problem is my mom's medicine was in our luggage. At, you know, New Orleans. Mine I carried, save for my pills, and I was fine. But mom was having a lot of trouble. Exhausted we wake up after paying like 150 planned dollars. We get to the airport...and wait for the next two hours at the gate. A gate where not a single flight came to, besides ours. By the way, we were sent to C-9 but smart me, I read the arrivals and departures board and saw we had moved to C-8. So we sit and wait...for about an hour and half before someone shows up. I get in line, ask about two different boarding zones, which I found out we can go together because we're traveling together - making the zones pointless - and I just wait. And wait. We were sitting down for 2 hours. We get to New Orleans about an hour later (making it 8am - again) and our whole trip was whacked because of the essential missing day. We had to find our luggage and met up with someone else on the missed flight. He was just as livid.

On the way back yesterday, we missed our flight because AmEx told us the wrong time and the ticket counter lady didn't tell us the time so we didn't notice. However, we were upgraded to business class on the next flight. If - and that's a STRONG if - you ever fly with them again, use business class. They get all the good attention and the flight attendants were terribly nice.

I hate AirTran. I have to call up the main number and do some serious fussing. AS my mom put it, they owe us another go round of trip tickets since they pretty much screwed our 5 day vacation into 4..counting the two days of flight. 3 if you count Friday. I have never flown AirTran and never will again if at all possible. Actually, I told the sniveling customer service guy, I hope his airline went bankrupt and he lost his job. And I never, ever speak to anyone in the customer service industry with such disrespect.

On another side note, the same day as the missed flight, there was a young mother in line behind me pushing a child in the stroller. It turns out they were flying to Houston and were just going to make it. The front called and told them to wait. They let the husband and 3-month-baby on board, but not the mom and sister. Now, mind you, it turns out the mother was nursing. So the baby would have no food until the next day since they didn't have another flight going out then either. I refuse to believe all their flights are full. They're just a bunch of no-neck jerks who know they're guaranteed a job and don't care.

But don't mess with me. I'm from Atlanta, their hub. I can make life miserable. I can easily call up the ladder if I have until we get comped either the money spent for that night or more tickets. I'll be darned if they'll be allowed to treat me like that. I'm Southern. I know how to beat the dead horse back into resurrection and ride him straight through the corporate offices.

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Date: 2009-08-09 03:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hence-the-name.livejournal.com
*headdesk*

Air travel sucks. This reminds me of an incident I had on a US Airways (I think) flight a couple of years ago. I had booked a package vacation to Mexico that included airfare out of LAX. So I booked my roundtrip ticket from LAX to Logan, with a 6 hour gap between the time my return flight landed at LAX and my flight to Boston departed. Plenty of time to get through customs, get some dinner, get to the gate. Oh no. There was a problem with the computer system in customs and they sat us on the runway for 6 hours before they finally decided that it might be a good idea to start processing people manually. (Gotta love the US government; there were planes sitting on the runway that had flown in from China and had already been sitting on the runway for several hours by the time my flight landed.) Anyway, of course I missed my connection, so I go to change my ticket, and I get up to the desk and they want me to pay for a whole new ticket. It wasn't their fault, you see, that I had missed my plane, so I had to pay for my government's incompetence. It took half an hour of arguing with several different people before they finally agreed to change my ticket without charging me. *shakes head*

Like I said, air travel sucks. *hug* I'm glad you got where you were going and had so much fun!

Date: 2009-08-09 05:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] earlgreytea68.livejournal.com
Ugh. I have also had the U.S. government delay me getting through customs and cause me to miss a connecting flight. It once took me 7 hours to get from JFK to Logan. I could have driven it in four.

Air travel really is terrible.

Date: 2009-08-09 04:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fishface44.livejournal.com
Thank goodness for your family! Air Tran is evil, and I will Never fly them! The fact that none of the airline personnel even cared about this or were anything other than annoyed is very telling; they are obviously completely inured to negative customer reactions & realize that the company Does Not Care At All about its customers!


Another lesson here: everyone should have sisters!


*hugs*

Date: 2009-08-09 05:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] earlgreytea68.livejournal.com
Yeah, they are clearly used to people yelling and crying at them, which is, as you say, a Very Bad Sign.

And everyone *should* have sisters! Thank God for them! And great friends!

Date: 2009-08-09 04:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rattus-aerius.livejournal.com
Damn! I'm sorry you had to go through that crap. I've only flown once on Continental and they were fantastic. Even if we did have to go to Buffalo instead of Newark. :P That really was because of weather, but they were willing to pay for a hotel room. I got on a commuter plane to Newark so I didn't need it. And once I did get to Newark I still got a window seat on the plane to England.

I'm glad you finally got there and had fun! :D

Date: 2009-08-09 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tzikeh.livejournal.com
I love Continental. I can't remember any problems I've ever had with them (so, obviously, if I had any, they were either immediately remedied or dealt with perfectly). If I can avoid it, I don't fly any other airline.

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Date: 2009-08-09 04:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orelle-peredhil.livejournal.com
Sweet Jesus. There are no other words - except that I will make sure never ever to fly that useless and completely incompetent airline, and that I'm really glad you have such wonderful family and friends, and that you finally got to where you were going and had a lovely time in spite of it all!

Date: 2009-08-09 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] earlgreytea68.livejournal.com
Yes, it made me realize that without the network of friends and family I have, I would be completely lost in this world.

Date: 2009-08-09 04:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] outforawalk.livejournal.com
I'm with Youngest Sister on the wanting to slap that woman silly. Thank goodness your sister was able to take the time to follow up online. Unbelievably bad service on their part. Seeing it all summed up in one handy post like this makes my jaw drop at just how awful your travel experience was for writercon. (I do picture this sort of thing as exactly what would happen if the Doctor had to fly Non-TARDIS Air.)

This is the point when being a lawyer comes in handy--writing letters to incompetent airlines that try to ruin your weekend getaway, with scary legalese thrown in for fun. Right? I know my lawyer cousin enjoys this aspect. (He broke out the letterhead to write one letter to our insurance company and suddenly the year long hassle was resolved and a check was on the way.)

I also recommend contacting the Better Business Bureau. Did you book through a site like Cheaptickets? I'd send them a letter too. I also tend to make personal complaints to the booking agents at our local AAA office too, because they always ask about my trips even if they didn't book them.

Date: 2009-08-09 05:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] earlgreytea68.livejournal.com
My youngest sister *would* have slapped her silly, too. I admire her for that. A bit. Ish. But yeah, even as I was typing it up last night, I couldn't believe HOW MUCH FAIL happened in literally, like, a 90-minute period. It was ridiculous. I *should* turn it into a fic, but the Doctor would be out sonicking everything to fix it.

lol - I tried to use the lawyer thing with AirTran while I was at the airport. It got me nowhere.

I actually booked through Expedia, but maybe I should send them a letter. And the Better Business Bureau is another good suggestion. Thanks!

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Date: 2009-08-09 05:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glorious-clio.livejournal.com
URG!!!!! That just sounds... painful. I would have cried too. Stupid airline.

Date: 2009-08-09 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] earlgreytea68.livejournal.com
Ugh. It totally was.

Date: 2009-08-09 05:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auntiesuze.livejournal.com
Holy effin' eff. I knew some of this story, but not all of it. Dear lord. I've had some bad airline experiences, but this takes the cake. I'd be complaining and reporting these guys to absolutely everyone possible. *HUGS YOU*

Try Continental, even if they cost a bit more. They were absolutely FANTASTIC to me last month, making sure that I got to New Orleans close to on time (by booking me on US Air), gave me a free food voucher, free flight voucher, etc.

Jebus. Weather in Boston. Feh.

Date: 2009-08-09 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] earlgreytea68.livejournal.com
The whole story is SO LONG that it is impossible to capture outside of an incredibly long and detailed LJ post.

Everyone loves Continental, I hear nothing but good things. May be time for a universal switchover. I've had good experiences with Delta, too.
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Date: 2009-08-09 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] earlgreytea68.livejournal.com
It's because women look out for each other by sharing information! (At least, that's my positive spin.)

I will definitely write to Consumerist.

And I am very sorry that AirTran employees work for a terrible company and have to deal with irate customers all day. But, like, we all hate our jobs. If I treated a client the way AirTran treated me, I'd be fired. What they did was treat me like an irate customer *before* I became an irate customer, thus turning me into an irate customer. A self-fulfilling prophecy.

Date: 2009-08-09 08:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wildwinterwitch.livejournal.com
Sounds very Kafka-esque. *shakes head*

Date: 2009-08-09 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] earlgreytea68.livejournal.com
I think it was jlrpuck who said the same thing.

Date: 2009-08-09 10:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azriona.livejournal.com
I say you sue them for every penny they've got, and then you write a fantastically glorious description of the entire thing and send it to everywhere you think will print it. Maybe change the name of the airline to something not very far off, like "AirPlan". or "AirScam".


OOOO. Want a section of azriona.net? IT COULD BE A THING.

Date: 2009-08-09 01:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dqbunny.livejournal.com
Well, you take posts like this one - plus comments - and use the power of Twitter, Facebook, etc. and could really generate a major publicity stink for AirTran. The power of social media, where you take word of mouth and magnify it by several thousand. I also still suggest getting in touch with Christopher Elliot (http://www.elliott.org/) too. By the way, take a look at some of the problems with AirTran reported on his site (http://www.elliott.org/help/airtran-airways/#comments).

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Date: 2009-08-09 12:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catyuy.livejournal.com
Those bastards.
I thank god that I've never flown with them.

Date: 2009-08-09 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] earlgreytea68.livejournal.com
I know. They're so terrible.

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Date: 2009-08-09 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jellybean728.livejournal.com
Wow.

I haven't flown in years, because my ex-husband was terrified of flying, so I'm grateful to have never had any such issues.

Thank goodness for your family helping you out.

Date: 2009-08-09 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] earlgreytea68.livejournal.com
I fly way too much, and it has just gotten worse...and worse...and worse. Thank goodness for my family is right.

Date: 2009-08-09 04:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feebeeglee.livejournal.com
I would love to see, hmm, Athena! in this situation.

Date: 2009-08-09 06:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] earlgreytea68.livejournal.com
Oh, she'd've handled it *much* better than me! ;-)

Date: 2009-08-09 05:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hubbit.livejournal.com
Ugh. So reprehensible. I found this courtesy of a tweet from [livejournal.com profile] tzikeh, and have retweeted it myself.

It's irresponsible, and yet sadly indicative of the nature of "customer service" today. Everyone's a number to be shuffled, and to hell with anyone's personal considerations. It's revolting.

*Offers you tea and cookies. And chocolate. And Scotch.*

BTW, My last flight was in 1997. And it was only mildly inconvenient. (Chicago to San Diego via Reno. In-flight movie was a flip-book. Coffee was strained through an old sock. Food was...nonexistent, in an era when food was usually served on a four hour flight.) This is just harrowing. I wish you could successfully sue for at least mental anguish.

Date: 2009-08-09 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] earlgreytea68.livejournal.com
"Customer service" is completely dead as a concept. It's appalling. I wonder sometimes if the recession has something to do with it. I just bought boots at Nordstrom, a chain that is really struggling right now. The customer service was *phenomenal.* They were out of stock of the boot I wanted, but they ordered it from a store in California, gave me the sale price, AND shipped it for free directly to my home. But, did I pay more for the boots than I would have at Payless? Oh, yes.

I admire how little you fly. I fly constantly. It was very wearying!

*accepts tea, cookies, chocolate, and Scotch*

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Date: 2009-08-09 05:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] klia.livejournal.com
Popping in via [personal profile] tzikeh to repost something I posted on her LJ:

Remember ValuJet? They had that crash in the Florida everglades back in '96 that killed 110 people, the cause of which was incompetence on the part of their contracted maintenance staff? They changed their name to AirTran.

I'm so sorry about your appalling experience. I'll definitely never fly them.

Date: 2009-08-09 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] earlgreytea68.livejournal.com
Ah. Well. That explains a lot...

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Date: 2009-08-09 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kdorian.livejournal.com
Got here via link - you have GOT to submit this to consumerist.com. They're owned by Consumer Reports, and this sort of story is their meat and drink. Also, their site is searchable - and you can bet I looked up the airlines I was planning on booking with before the last time I flew. Let everyone know how bad they were, so people will have fair warning!

Date: 2009-08-09 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] earlgreytea68.livejournal.com
This is good to know! I will definitely do this! Thanks!
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