The Chaosverse Book Club: Week Two

[earlgreytea68]

Things Continue to Progress

I admit this is another fic that isn't one of my favorites, although I'm not sure why, because there are bits of it I really like: the description of the Doctor's state of undress, which I find exta-sexy because of how dressed up he normally is; the first mention of the Doctor's propensity to keep count of their shags, which shows up in a few other fics and is finally resolved in "Whispers in Her Ear, from Across the Room"; the last line. I do also like their tone in this fic, I think they feel very much like two people who had just gotten together and were still in that honeymoon phase and couldn't believe their luck at finding each other. Not to say they ever completely take each other for granted but, even with no other cues, you can tell that this is an early story whereas a story like "Evasive Maneuvers" is a later story. At least, I think you can.

Questions for Discussion:

There should be a week-long ficathon where someone posts a fic each day about each of the shags the Doctor describes: One that was slow, one that was fast, the one with you on top, the one with the thing with your teeth and my hip, the one with the thing with my tongue and your belly button, the one where we fell off the bed, and the one just after I woke you up. This is another question for discussion that is not a question for discussion but a command.

I set up the Doctor associating cups of tea with less than respectable activities, but I never did do anything with that. Did you ever think back to this story at any of the many, many times my Doctor drinks a cup of tea?

What are your favorite bits of this paticular little fic?

A Supernatural Excursion

I love this story. It's strange, because I tend to forget about it, and I don't re-read it very often, but every time I do re-read it I'm struck by the fact that I think it is absolutely hilarious. I love the Doctor's insecurity and vulnerability in the fic when it comes to Rose, but I love the Doctor-y-ness of him, for lack of a better word, in the rest of the fic. I love the mocking salute he gives to the truck that almost runs him over, I love his no-nonsense competence when they encounter Sam and Dean outside the house and he's just like, "I don't have time for this, leave me alone," I love his mocking "Professional what?" at Dean after they kill the werewolf, which I find some kind of prediction of Sherlock being all "The police don't consult amateurs" a few years later, I love his "There's a Lord involved here, but not the Lord you're thinking." Really, I think the Doctor has some great lines in this fic. And I have to admit, this fic has one of my favorite lines of dialogue ever: "I’ve got a lupine-wavelength haemovariform who needs a tummy tuck" Hahahahaha! I have no idea why, because I'm sure I've written better lines of dialogue, but that line out of the Doctor cracks me up every time I read it. (I also like how Sam says "Doctor what?" instead of "Doctor who?" here. Just because I think an American would say it that way. I think.)

I also love this fic because it lets me engage in one of my favorite things: viewing the Doctor/Rose relationship from the vantage point of an outsider.

Questions for Discussion:

The Doctor mentions that Rose has something of the wolf about her, which is something that comes up in "Tooth & Claw" and then, frankly, seems to mostly be dropped from canon ("Bad Wolf" references aside, since those don't really have to do with the effect on Rose). Frankly, I drop the idea from the Chaosverse (other than, you know, the notable exception of "College," but I tie that to her heart's desire and not to her wolf-ness). What are your thoughts on the "something of the wolf about her"? What did the line mean in canon? What should it mean in fanfiction?

The Doctor has Rose carrying a gun in this fic. Thoughts on that? I admit I wrote it without really giving thought to the Doctor's aversion to guns. Did any of you find it noteworthy here in this fic?

Do you have any particular bits of this fic that you find hilarious the way I do?

Everywhere

Ah, a post-GitF fic. Such an infamous subgenre in the DW genre!

I admit that I think Rose could have gone either way in this fic. That this was the turning point in their fragile relationship. She forgives him--and we all know they end up happily ever after--but I think she could have walked away from him and I wouldn't have blamed her. So this was a tricky fic to write, because I had to have Rose forgive him, but I had to make sure that she didn't seem too forgiving, if that makes sense. I didn't want it to feel like she was sacrificing the strength of her character for him.

I've never really played around with the fact that the Doctor thought the relationship with Rose was a bad idea, even as he let himself get involved. I should really do something with that. Because he was clearly as wrong as he has ever been in that regard (at least, in my 'verse).

I love the way this fic ends, too. Where are they going? Everywhere. And they did. :-)

Questions for Discussion:

Do you love GitF? Do you hate GitF? Regardless of how you feel about it, how do you think this fic does dealing with GitF?

Do you buy Rose forgiving the Doctor here? Or do you think she gave in too easily?

Next Week: Like a Kid in a Candy Store, One If by Land, Two If by Sea, and Chapter 1 of Chaos Theory in Vortex Orbits in Relative Dimensions in Time and Space.

Comments

[2nd2ndalto.livejournal.com]

First, about Things Continue to Progress: I've always seen this as a sweet, sexy little interlude between the rest of their progressions. I do love the way you describe the Doctor's state of undress, as well as Rose's reaction to it. Re-reading just now, I was thinking about how you deal with POV - I tend to pick one and stick to it like it's my job, but you manage to switch back and forth seamlessly. Hmm.

There should be a week-long ficathon where someone posts a fic each day about each of the shags the Doctor describes YES.

I will be back later! I'm especially looking forward to Everywhere. I have read this one SO many times. :)

[earlgreytea68.livejournal.com]

You know, I used to frequently write in multiple POVs in the same scene. That seems to be a fanfiction no-no, and I think I've drifted out of the habit. But I think there *is* a way to do it, and I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing!

Tings Continue to Progress

[doctorwhorecs.livejournal.com]

I enjoyed this story in the re-read. What makes it interesting to me, is that I remember how I felt reading this when I first began the series. At that point, it was amazing and sexy, and hot, and all it did was inspire me to keep reading. Particularly, what stood out for me was the way each of these beginning fics (and more as I continued reading) seemed more like tidbit moments out of the Doctor and Rose’s lives, and I loved the way you captured them. I’ve never really read a story before that led up with smaller fics to the big fics (the first being “Chaos Theory in Vortex Orbits in Relative Dimensions in Time and Space” in my opinion) and then the in-betweens. And that’s a terrible way of phrasing it, because I honestly don’t view the series as the “before”, “in-between” and “after” the major stories. But the single moments - the scenes in between the play, if you will, are what makes this story so incredible to me. I love “Things Continue to Progress” not only because it’s the Doctor being wonderfully sexy with Rose, but because it allowed us, the readers, a glimpse into their lives at that one moment in time. I also love that it keeps the story going, even though it begins and ends in that one moment. I’m not sure how you managed to tell a story only using bits and pieces out of their lives, but somehow, the chronology of events tells a beautiful and progressive story without it being one novel-length consecutive fic.

I too, loved to see the Doctor in an open and unbuttoned shirt and pants. It was a rare opportunity and one that my imagination ran quite wild with. In a way, however, it did feel a bit... wrong. LOL. Sort of like the saying, “less is always more” in regards to the point if women are more sexy showing everything, or simply hinting at more when in actuality, nothing is showing at all. The Doctor has always seemed like the forbidden package - one that I enjoy reading about Rose finding out what’s underneath, as he’s so completely covered from neck to toe most of the time. However, there is a larger part of me that loves the fact that the Doctor has relaxed enough around Rose in such a short time, that he now feels comfortable enough not to button up every last button on his jacket around her, so to speak. The open shirt is such a... “guy who’s been shagged” look, what women can’t find that irresistible and sexy? There was something you said, “She was now well aware that, on occasion, the Doctor went entirely without any of his myriad layers of clothing, and did quite well without them, thank you very much,” that made my mind wonder what other times exactly on the TARDIS did the Doctor go without clothing while Rose was on board. Or did he simply button up everything for her benefit? He is 900 years old, and to some degree I would greatly assume that clothing is completely optional for his maturity and open-mindedness way of thinking. And yet, his Doctor is completely covered at all times. Except when shagging Rose Tyler, of course. I just keep imagining pre-shagging-Rose-Tyler Doctor, and picturing him working under the console or reading in his library while Rose slept, completely naked and carefree. LOL.

I don’t know. I love the fact that the Doctor is less-dressed and totally comfortable with it around Rose, but it did make me wonder how comfortable he was undressed compared to how he feels 99% of the other time. Is it only around Rose? I can only imagine Rose and the Doctor going to visit Jackie and him walking around in pants without a shirt. I can’t decide if Jackie would simply do a double take, or if she’s be drooling, or if she’s simply take it for granted. I can’t imagine the third, as I think everyone associates the Doctor with his suit and to see him dressed otherwise would be a bit of a shock. Just like it would be strange to see Ten wearing jeans and a t-shirt. You know? But for this moment in time, I did enjoy the opportunity to see the Doctor’s naked chest, because in my mind, he’s gorgeous shirtless. And possibly, more tan than David Tennant could ever be. *smirks*

Things Continue to Progress part 2

[doctorwhorecs.livejournal.com]

The week-long ficathon idea - OMG, please. I love that idea. I’m even half-convinced to give it a go myself. I love that idea. Have you ideas in your mind about what kind of sex each of those could mean? I keep thinking outside the box, to try and figure out what kind of story-line each of those sex scenes could have occurred without each individual one being literally an explanation of the title. For example: “One that was slow” - yes, it absolutely could be about “slow and really taking the time to make love sex”, but it also could be about “the really slow way the Doctor mapped out Rose’s body with his tongue to drive her completely mad before she finally gave in and begged” kind of way, or it could be something off the wall like, “Rose snuck up on the Doctor while he was making certain calibrations to the TARDIS and told him in a whisper - “don’t stop what you are working on” and he can hiss at her with something like, “this is very sensitive, I could actually do some real damage if I’m not really careful” and Rose can reply with, “then you’ll need to concentrate very, very hard on her so you don’t hurt her,” and then Rose can slowly pull the Doctor’s pants off and ride him ever so carefully, ever so slowly, while he works ever so sensitively on the TARDIS, and in the Doctor’s POV, it’s one of the most sensual and amazing things because he’s orgasming while working on his beloved TARDIS. But he’s having to concentrate so much on what he’s working on so as not to hurt the TARDIS... very dangerous and slow sex. Ha! But I guess that makes Rose a bit dark... lol. But still hot. Anyway - the point is that I think it would be interesting to read not just the different kinds of sex, but a play on words with those lines in how the sex actually happened.

In regards to the Doctor and his tea, I honestly never saw anything out of it after this fic. I think it would have been hilarious to have a scene where Rose forces the Doctor to go and visit Jackie and Jackie fixes them all tea, and Rose can mess with the Doctor under the table or something - and have him remember what she tells him in this fic about every time you have tea, think of me doing this, and make him grab Rose and drag her back to the TARDIS. LOL. Oh, the amount of fics that could be added in the in-between. It’s brilliant. I just assumed that Rose’s British influence allowed the Doctor to understand the pleasures of “having tea,” he became addicted as well. Don’t they make another reference later on in the series about someone else - introducing them to tea - and the Doctor makes a joke about how it would be a bad thing because everyone who tries it becomes a lover of it for life? And that is totally my own summary of the conversation, and probably was completely different - but I remember something about that... I suppose I’ll find it as we go through the re-reads.

Re: Things Continue to Progress part 3

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My favorite bits of this fic: I love that the Doctor knows what she’s talking about by the wave of her hand. I love that Rose blushes when the Doctor gives her a predatory look. The fact that he expresses so clearly his sexual thoughts is fantastic and I love that it’s still early enough in their experience that she still blushes about the fact that he’s thinking less than pure thoughts about her. I always gathered from this fic that it was she who had been keeping count of their shags, and he only counted after realizing that she was off. Because he pauses after she drawls “eight” - like he’s double checking in his mind. But I very much like the idea that they both are keeping count. It’s very sweet. I don’t think I ever did that with my husband, but I love that the Doctor and Rose do. I guess, in a way, they would have to, as there isn’t really any concept of “passing time” on the TARDIS. They can’t really look at each other and say, “we’re celebrating our first week anniversary” - well, I guess the Doctor could, but from Rose’s POV, counting shags I guess makes it easier to keep track? LOL. I don’t know.

I love the Doctor losing control - doing things like “struggling for coherence” while she’s licking him and “hips thrusting toward her helplessly” - I love the way you write that.

I did have concern for the broken teacups on the floor. LOL. If the Doctor isn’t buttoning up his shirt, are we led to believe that he’s put on his shoes? There is broken glass on the floor!

I have to laugh every time you make reference to the milk turning sour to determine the length of time spent in the Vortex. I shall make it my new Chaosverse drinking game, I think. *grins* As an ending line - I adore it.

What is it that the Doctor murmurs in her ear? He’s constantly murmuring things in Galifreyan to her and it just kills me that she never asks about it! Well, except for that one time with the vows. But seriously! If I were with an alien and he talked alien to me in bed, I’d be curious as to what he was saying! To argue that point, though, I do like that it seems to be what happens when the Doctor loses control in sex... Just... why has Rose never asked why Galifreyan doesn’t translate? I know I assumed that she probably had at some missing scene and therefore, doesn’t concern herself with it, just taking for granted that he sometimes speaks in Galifreyan and has just accepted the fact that there are times when she won’t understand it. But then she has kids later on, and I’m sure she walked in to the Doctor and the children talking to each other in Galifreyan - and I can imagine the kids telling her what words mean and things... by the time she and the Doctor are older, wouldn’t she have some sort of grasp for the language? Do you think that she’s been learning as she goes? Do we ever learn what it is that the Doctor says to her and she says to him when they do their vows? Were they marriage vows?

I know - I’m ahead of the game a bit, but it just struck me as curious.

And finally - I think anytime the Doctor has to hang on to the kitchen table in order to keep it from moving across the floor with his very manly sexual thrusting - that is a good shag fic. *grins* Very sexy.

A Supernatural Excursion

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This fic is one that I have mixed feelings about. I love the Doctor/Rose interaction, and I can appreciate the story in the POV of an outsider. I can’t say that it’s one of my favorites though, because to me, it is in a lot of ways more about the outsiders than the Doctor and Rose. And I think because I’m unfamiliar with the outside characters, I didn’t warm up to them as much as I could have. I assume that these are the characters from the show, Supernatural? I’ve always wanted to get into that show, but haven’t had the opportunity to yet. I may have ten times more appreciation for this fic, after watching that. If I’m right in my assumption about the outside characters. If not, then I apologize. LOL. However, with that thought said, I don’t think it’s necessary to know Supernatural at all to enjoy this fic, as the characters and what they do are very well explained.

I love the idea of someone other than the Doctor hitting on Rose - that doesn’t happen near enough in canon and I love jealous Doctor more than life itself. LOL! I agree that an American would say “Doctor what?” instead of “Doctor who.” I would, at least. :) I completely agree with you on the point that I love the Doctor’s vulnerability shown out of his jealousy. I really like that he does take a moment and step back and worry that because he’s ancient and an alien, that she won’t just off and leave him for someone human and more her age. It makes me wonder how often he thinks of her age when they are together - and even later in the story when they are together-together. It isn’t really a subject that is brought up too often, mostly because I think the outcome is always the same. He will always be ancient and she will always be in love with him. But, I can’t help but be curious as to how he thinks towards her sometimes. Does he ever feel the need to dumb down things? I know Brem in many ways, and possibly the girls, gives him that genius level conversation that he probably missed more than his actual people, and I know that he probably connected with Brem on an intellectual level out of a need to be understood by someone and have someone he could also admire intellectually. It just makes me wonder what goes through his mind - especially in the beginning - in how he thinks around Rose. Obviously, and with no question, he loves her and is completely in love with her. And I think she surprises him in ways he didn’t know he could be surprised in. And I think she’s brilliant - especially with her openness to accept and with her warmth and love and loyalty. I think in a lot of ways, her youth brings out his youth - not that he really needed any help being “youthful” in Ten’s regeneration, but that in his many, many centuries of life, even at 200 or 300, she must still seem like such a babe to him. Not to mention his children. It must be odd to know that you’ve got some 880 years on someone, easily. I don’t mean to imagine the Doctor in anyway to be condescending towards Rose, but I just wonder if he sometimes has to remember that she is so very young in the universe.

And yet, I know he also babbles continuously to her - because he has been so incredibly lonely for so long, and he does want to share every thought that pops into his head - as he says so in Chaos Theory in Vortex Orbits in Relative Dimensions in Time and Space, (which I have got to learn an acronym for btw). “CTVORDTS”? *giggles*

Re: A Supernatural Excursion Part 2

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But do you know what I mean? Obviously, being romantically involved with someone in a real relationship is new to him - his vulnerability explained in this fic shows that. But his vulnerability stems from the notion that it’s her that will go off and find something better. He’s completely insecure in his awesomeness around her. So it makes me wonder how often he tries not to emphasis his age and his knowledge around her. Because he could be babbling constantly and talking about how amazing he is - because he’s not necessarily bashful about it - but in doing that, could he also be holding back such an amazing amount of awesomeness as to not completely frighten her away?

Not that I truly think this, or that you at all show or point this out in Chaosverse, but it was just an interesting thought I had, and wondered what your opinion was on it.

This line always confused me, “So. Do you mind me showing me?” Is it a typo?

The line “lupin-wavelength haemovariform” didn’t make me grin until Dean complains to Rose at the end, “why do you keep calling it that - it’s just a werewolf,” because I couldn’t help but think the same thing. Is Rose just used to following the Doctor’s lead? Because I can honestly imagine Rose saying that very line (what Dean said to her) to the Doctor when he used bigger words than necessary. Isn’t this sort of like the line, “he would rather give you a 300 word speech than say “I love you”.” To me, it was a bit out of character for Rose to refer to it as anything other than werewolf, because I think part of what makes Rose so easily likeable is our ability to connect with her. So I was trying to find a justification, other than just to give Dean the line of sounding normal, instead of it being Rose. Perhaps there is a missing scene between Rose and the Doctor, where Rose does in fact, ask him that very question as to why he doesn’t just simply refer to it as “werewolf” and we can understand then why Rose makes the effort not to call it that in the end.

The penises, penes, penii conversation has to be a favorite of mine. I think it’s the comfort level that you have Rose and the Doctor conversing - it’s so natural, so rhythmic, so intelligent, and you can tell that both participants get equal enjoyment out of the banter - it’s fabulous. I love that the Doctor is simply bemused by it, I gather, and that Rose feels the need to double check him on if he’s “sure it’s not penii”. *giggles* Such a fun moment.

What actually did happen to the werewolf? Did he disintegrate? Rose had a gun of silver bullets, so I guess they had planned for the worst to happen as well. I liked the small moment into Rose’s mind where she admits that she’s not sure how accurately she can shoot. I find it hilarious that the Doctor just pawns off the weapon to her and assumes that she’ll follow through if the werewolf attacks him? Since he was planning on strolling up to the wolf to talk to it the whole time? I don’t necessarily see this as Rose carrying a gun - honestly, I just figured since it was a werewolf, the sonic screwdriver might not save the day. LOL. Maybe if the sonic screwdriver was made out of silver? But that makes it more of a weapon than a screwdriver - at least mentally, it does - to me.

Re: A Supernatural Excursion Part 3

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Rose telling the story of the Doctor being a plastic surgeon with the bit of the bullet that couldn’t be removed in his chest was entertaining. Although I have to admit that it felt more like a slightly different Rose for a scene than I’m used to. I guess I always found Rose to be the warm and honest one - to a fault, and that’s what I always admired about her so much. Her ability to make everyone around her feel safe and trustworthy... Yes, she’d act out things with the Doctor, but we don’t see her doing it very often in canon, alone. I didn’t realize that the Doctor kept his existence a secret very often. He’s always seeming to just blurt out what he is and who he is, and then expects everyone to react by trembling and showing respect to his brilliance. Which is probably a psychological reason why he loves humans, because they are so clueless as to who or what he is. LOL.

But I did enjoy her story, and did enjoy the Doctor’s reaction to her telling tall tales. I could see Rose afterwards being more curious about who they are and trying to find out all she can about them - Dean and Sam, that is. At first, I guess she’s just trying to diffuse some random guy hitting on her, but at the end, I can see her and the Doctor needing to give them more of a third degree about their intentions and who they are. But again, this might be more like the Twilight story, where the people who can best appreciate the story are fans of the other genre? Perhaps I’m missing a lot because you intended your readers to know Supernatural?

And now I’m cringing, because if I’m wrong, it’ll be completely embarrassing, but oh well. I’m being honest with my thoughts and I hope you’ll take my thoughts as just what they are - what I’m thinking as it comes into my head.

The saddest and best line of this story, in my opinion, is when the Doctor says to Dean, “Because you’re pretty lucky, too, wouldn’t you say? Having a brother? See you around.” Because the Doctor has no family at this point, and Rose is it, even if they aren’t “official” yet. But they are, too, in their own way. Of course they are. But that line stood out for me as poignant, and sad, and I wonder if you had an ulterior motive for putting that in. Were you making reference to the fact that the Doctor doesn’t have a family, and as such, can be jealous of someone having a brother? Or just making note that there are things in the world that the Doctor can’t have, and that he does recognize that there are things to be jealous of, if not Rose?

You know, until you made reference to the Doctor making mention of Rose having something of the wolf about her - I didn’t remember that. I still don’t, so I’m taking your word for it. I’ll re-watch “Tooth & Claw” soon and see what I find. But in canon, I never found Rose to be “wolfish” or have something of a literal “wolf” inside of her. I always thought “Bad Wolf” was simply an anagram, and then didn’t put any thought into it after that. Now, I’m thinking I missed out on something really important, and that there was more of a reason that “Tooth & Claw” came so quickly in season 2.

My thoughts in regards to what that line means in fanfiction... well, I think the brilliance of fanfiction is that any line can mean anything to different people, which is part of what makes fanfiction so widespread and versatile. I think fanfiction writers have taken the “wolf” into her to give her extra life, to make her more Time Lord, to give her superpowers, to give her the ability to communicate with the TARDIS, and more. I’m not sure it’s so much the line that gives writers this, or just the concept in itself, though. I honestly don’t know what “something of the wolf about her” could possibly mean.

When I first read through this story, I remember enjoying it simply because it was different. Different POV, different story concept, and a different way of viewing the Doctor and Rose’s relationship. I love this story because of it’s uniqueness. In comparison to some of your more elaborate fics, as well as one-shots that came later, this isn’t one that I would categorize as a “favorite,” but that doesn’t mean that I don’t appreciate it and love parts of it all the same.

Everywhere

[doctorwhorecs.livejournal.com]

This has to be one of my favorite fics of the series. It’s angsty and poignant and heartbreaking and hopeful and gorgeous. What I love most about this story is how important it is. It is ever so important for the entire series. Because this needed to happen between them in order to establish that this is still our Doctor from canon. He needed to push Rose away, and I love how you used the Madame de Pompadour plot to do so. To me, that is one of the most sad and poignant episodes in Doctor Who - not just because the Doctor does leave Rose, but that it shows how incredibly short human lifespans are to the Doctor.

I think this fic is beautiful, and what makes it beautiful is how you go about telling this one story. You play it out slowly, and let the reader discover what happened, what the Doctor was thinking about why he pushes Rose away, and finally ending with what Rose really thinks about it. How hurt she is by what he’s done, and by whom he used to do it with.

There needed to be something that solidified their relationship from friends to shagging to permanent relationship - and this is the fic that did it for me. They needed to fight. The Doctor needed to push Rose away, and Rose needed to not be fine with that. What surprised me was that I originally thought this fic was going to be about the Doctor, and in a way, it very much was. But it was more about Rose.

The Doctor pushed her away because he got scared and then did exactly what she says he does - he was too much of a coward to tell her to leave. He would hurt her until she had just enough self-respect to get out. And to me, that’s very Doctor, and it’s very hurtful and mean. I love her line near the end about how she would never be mean to him like that.

To me, I needed to see Rose be her own person with her own choices and be able to stand up to him. Not because I needed to see Rose be strong - because I already know she is, but I needed to see Rose be on equal footing with the Doctor. I can’t imagine a better way to go about doing this other than having them fight, have the Doctor make a colossal mistake, and have Rose not only call him on it, but be forced to make the impossible choice to simply go home and leave him, or stick with him and continue the relationship. I had to understand that she wasn’t just a sappy love-sick teen in love with Mr. Magnificent. I needed to see that she saw him as a man, and that she still had a choice whether to be with him or not. I absolutely think that even had she gone home, she still would have been in love with him. I think he’s the kind of person you fall in love with, and then no matter what they do - you will never stop loving them. But I think she would have left him, if it was worse for her to stay with him. I do love that Chasoverse Rose is strong and will do what she needs to do to keep her pride and sanity and self-preservation, whereas I always got the impression that canon Rose was a bit young, and a bit naive and a bit blind in her love for the Doctor. So I sincerely adored this fic because you gave Rose a maturity and put her on equal footing with the Doctor. Because not only does she choose to stay with him, he also chooses to let her stay, and to be hers for the rest of her life. And that’s a HUGE deal for him.

Everywhere Part 2

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Their interaction throughout this story is just perfect. My heart just wrenches at reading the pain between the lines. And the “Did you kiss her”, “She kissed me”, “Did you kiss her back,” “A little” - how awful to hear that. That would seriously break my heart. I think Rose is made of much more sturdy stuff than I would ever be capable of. I can imagine that they work through this and make the decision to do better in the future - but I can’t imagine that everything is pleasant and hunky-dory for the next few days or even, adventures. But then again, Rose has the ability to forgive and see the best in people, so perhaps I’m wrong and she just let that one go and allowed them to move forward. She does take a bit of time to herself to think things over. I suppose she very well could have fumed then and got over her anger enough to simply let it go and forgive him.

The beginning - that paragraph you have Rose say, “Everything happened with Reinette. And that’s not like you. You flirt. God knows, you flirt compulsively. But not like this. Not this way. And the thing is that, at first, I thought it was her, I really did. I thought, you know, you’re a bloke, and she’s beautiful and even the cleverest creature in the universe is sometimes ruled by the contents of his pants, or something. But it wasn’t about her, not really. Reinette was all about me, and how you’re trying to drive me away. Because I’m too close for you right now. I’m too close, and you don’t want to watch me wither and die, but you’re too much of a coward to talk to me about it, and so instead you’re doing this, you’re playing this ridiculous game with me, to see how much you can hurt me before I gather enough self-respect to walk away from you. You manipulative bastard.” My God - could you have had Rose more dead-on perfect? It is heartbreaking to read this. And his reply about “Is that the arbitrary line that has to be crossed? Does the rest of it mean nothing, as long as I didn’t see her naked?” How cruel. She did good to walk away, because I think I would have punched him in the face. It is very Doctorish, though, and I hate how he takes her accusation and belittles it like that. He is definitely old enough to know how to hurt someone he loves. And he’s old enough to be able to do it successfully.

I think that’s why I was so happily surprised at how quickly he comes around and starts begging for forgiveness. I think the only scene that could have made this more perfect is something like you have from some of the future stories - have him go to his “office” and sulk and worry, or show him in agony of fear to being alone... You do give him one line about having to find something to keep him occupied while she “thinks”, and that was probably one of the most tragic lines of the story. Because that’s absolutely true. How awful it must have been for him to have to wait. And I wonder how much she let him suffer because she probably knew very well how much it hurt him to wait. But I don’t think she’s that cruel. But a woman scorned... she may have let him wait a bit longer than necessary. One can hope. :)

What shocked me the most was how cool, calm, and collected Rose seemed while packing. She must have been dying inside - she had to have been. But she’s so mature now. It was really something to read, and yet, a part of me wanted to see her throw something or show him a flash of anger or tears or something to give him that horrible gut-wrench. But somehow, you still gave that without actually showing it to us.

Everywhere Part 3

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I will say that her line of “Why did it have to be her. Why did it have to be with Reinette” almost made me cry. Because for the first time, we actually see Rose’s fear. In the last fic, we get a glimpse of the Doctor’s vulnerability with Rose leaving him for a younger human, but in this we get so much more than a glimpse with Rose. We understand that she can’t understand why he’s with her in the first place. And when he saves Reinette and leaves Rose, it doesn’t surprise Rose - it just hurts, because she doesn’t think she deserves to be with him in the first place. And yet, she does because she’s strong and has amazing self-strength in this universe. She’s strong enough to call him on it, and to let him see her pain.

I do love Mickey in this. He brought that needed lightness to the story, because it’s pretty dark without it. I love that you have Mickey playing video games - and I’m sorry, but that moment where Mickey tells the Doctor he’s watching him, and then reiterates by pointing his fingers from his eyes to the Doctor’s and the Doctor’s amusement at that and yet, acceptance that Mickey’s right and he’s a bit scum at the moment - I ADORE that moment. I laughed out loud. It’s so dead on Mickey and hilarious and I love Mickey being supportive.

Speaking of Mickey - I really love how you had the Doctor point out to Rose that she was still stringing him along - even after they were together. That is a really interesting thing I would have enjoyed more into that as well. The fact that the Doctor even calls her on it and she doesn’t deny it. But I think she strung him along a bit, not to string him along - but so that she didn’t hurt him, because as the Doctor says, Mickey never hurt her. I think Rose would never willingly hurt Mickey. I think she just fell hard for the Doctor and it just happened and I think Mickey figured it out and was bummed over it, but was fine. I could imagine a small scene following this where Rose does come out with it and tell Mickey that it’s over, and Mickey can just sort of grin sadly and tell her that he’s known for a long time, but that it was nice of her to finally come out and say it. That he’s been just waiting for her to get the guts to do it. But I like to think that Mickey is perceptive enough on his own to know when Rose left him for the Doctor.

Lastly, what I really loved about this story was that it wasn’t about sex. It was about love, and not once is love ever mentioned. When Rose says, forever. If I’m going to stay - it’s going to be forever. You have to want me to,” and he responds with, “I want you to.” I think right there, they did the equivalent of marriage and love and loyalty and everything and in a way, it’s very much sort of like vows. And what amazes me is that love and loyalty and marriage never came up. 

I love that there isn’t sex, and that they don’t fight half-dressed. Because those fights seem very quick and then are usually followed by fast and lustful make-up sex. But this was so much more. This was about their relationship and their future, and the day after. I adored it. You could not have written it more perfectly.

I love this story. Definitely one of my favorites.

What does GitF mean? I feel like a moron, but I’ve stared at it for several minutes and can’t figure out what it means. I’m preparing myself for a headdesk.

Everywhere Part 4

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I definitely buy Rose forgiving the Doctor. I mean - she has to, doesn’t she? I think she took the right amount of time. I am not sure he groveled enough, or we got to see him tortured with fear for her leaving him - because she absolutely could have left him. But I still love it. I think you more than make up for it in later stories in the series, where he is very tortured and very angsty and very dark, and I think with him losing Rose and everything that happens between them - I think as a whole - this is perfect. As a stand-alone, I could have seen more angst. But in looking at the series as a whole, I think it’s perfect. The perfect amount of angst, the perfect amount of buildup. The perfect amount of forgiveness and moving on. And lastly, the perfect amount of giving the series a concrete basis for their relationship. Because before this, they were just shagging and having adventures. And from this point on - they are truly a one-of-a-kind, in that forever kind of way, cemented couple.

Question

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How are you going to cover the novel-length and multi-chapter stories? Are you planning to do just three chapters a week?

Re: Question

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Yup, just three chapters a week. Otherwise I'll never be able to keep up!

Re: Everywhere Part 4

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Yes, you're right, I don't spend a ton of time dwelling on the Doctor's panic, but he's definitely panicking. And yeah, from this point on, you're right, they're a couple.

Re: Everywhere Part 3

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Rose doesn't give herself enough credit. She thinks that Reinette is everything she's not. What she doesn't see is that Reinette is everything that she *is.*

Mickey frequently provides much needed comic relief!

It's always bothered me that Rose strings Mickey along, and I think it doesn't get pointed out enough in fics, so I liked letting the Doctor point it out, that Rose isn't entirely blameless in this whole thing. I think she was just young and the thing with the Doctor took her wholly by surprise, and I think Mickey knew before Rose knew, to be honest. I think everyone knew before Rose knew! ;-)

They never talk about love, the Doctor and Rose, until Chaos Theory. It's always *about* love, but they never say it in so many words. And yeah, I didn't want this to be muddied with sex, it was the sort of argument that needed to take place fresh and separated from that.

GitF=Girl in the Fireplace

Re: Everywhere Part 2

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I think Rose probably mulls it over a bit, the fact that there was a kiss involved. I think they probably have another conversation about it. I think it takes her a bit of time to trust that he'll never do it again. But I think eventually she does realize that it was a one-time moment of insanity for him.

The Doctor is *so* effective at arguing. As you say, he's old, he's learned how. I give Rose a lot of credit at knowing that he wants to slice at her, so she just walks away calmly. And I think it's when she walks away calmly that the Doctor starts to panic. He was braced for her to fight with him. If she's not going to fight, then it just leaves him alone with his thoughts to realize that he's making a huge mistake. And she made him suffer quite a bit. Mostly because she was trying to make a huge decision.

And I think she was dying inside as she packed, but I think she was also numb. Like, she was so hurt that she couldn't let herself process it, she just had to give herself something else to do.

Re: Everywhere

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I love how people seem to live this fic! I think it's right that, before the Doctor and Rose could truly settle into a relationship, they needed to have this huge fight, just have it out so that they could get the terms on the table.

And I really enjoyed this fic, because I really wanted to delve into their minds, which hopefully I did. I wanted to be deep into all their motivations, secret and un-.

I like the idea that this fic is more about Rose, because it is. She's the one with the agency in this fic, with the choice to make. The Doctor just waits passively for her decision, because he's the one who's way too active in the episode and provokes them to this point!

The Doctor is hurtful and mean, he can be far more petulant than Rose. I think because he's used to being selfish, he's used to getting away with it, really. And yeah, Rose needed to establish right away that she wasn't going to let him get away with it, she needed to make sure that she was the equal in the relationship. I think this fic is where she lays the foundation for the strong, mature Rose that shows up in the rest of the 'verse. And yeah, the Doctor letting her stay on *her* terms of "forever" *is* a huge deal.

Re: A Supernatural Excursion Part 3

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Sigh. Responded to this, and then my Internet died...

Anyway, general gist:

I think Rose was having a bit of fun at Dean's expense. Immature, but she's young, and sometime she and the Doctor do pretend, like in The Idiot's Lantern or Tooth & Claw.

Never cringe! I love your ideas! And it could be this story works much better if you know SPN.

As for the "brother" line, I think I wanted it to convey both points: that the Doctor lost his family and it still hurts him, even though he has Rose.

The werewolf in T&C says that Rose has something of the wolf about her. That always fascinated me, but I don't think the show really does anything with it.

This is a different story for me, which I think is why I like it so much. I'm always surprised I wrote it!

Re: A Supernatural Excursion Part 2

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Ah, you make such an interesting suggestion, that maybe the Doctor tries *not* to frighten Rose away. I think he makes a conscious effort, in the early days, not to alarm her, but I think the Doctor is actually terrible at holding himself back, it's just not in his personality.

Yup, typo! They appear periodically, because I am too lazy to go back and fix them! (It usually throws off the formatting.)

I think the reason why I didn't have Rose ask the Doctor about the long-winded term was because they'd been through T&C together at this point, where Rose says it's a werewolf and the Doctor says it's technically a lupine-wavelength etc. So I figured Rose wouldn't really be surprised by this and would be willing to go along with it as his "more correct term."

I love that conversation. I admit I've had that conversation with friends, and it was great fun to give it to the Doctor and Rose. I don't often use my real-life conversations in my fic, but this was one of them.

I think Dean and Sam shot him with silver bullets, so he died, much the way that the werewolf died at the end of T&C, and yeah, he died by disintegrating. I think the Doctor assumes anyone must be better at holding a gun than he is! And Rose can do anything! :-)

Re: A Supernatural Excursion

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Yeah, they're characters from SPN, and fair enough on them becoming the focus. I tried to fight against that, because I know a lot of people don't watch that show, but in some ways it was inevitable, when you do a crossover of a well-known show like that, you know?

Rose is hot, she should be getting hit on all through time and space!

I always thought that, as much as Rose worries that she's not enough for the Doctor, the Doctor does have the flipside of the problem.

I think he thinks about her age a lot in the beginning, and much, much less the longer he spends with her. I don't think he ever feels the need to dumb things down for her, I think he never thinks of her as being less intelligent than him. In fact, I think he frequently bewilders her because he forgets she doesn't think as quickly. And I'm not sure he really notices. I think he finds Brem and Athena and Fortuna challenging intellectually, but he also finds Rose challenging intellectually, just in a different way.

I agree with you, that her youth brings out his youthful side. And I also think sometimes he *is* condescending toward her, when she is thinking very differently than he is and he is frustrated with her and he says it in a sort of scathing way.

Hee! Most people call it "Chaos Theory." And I think the Doctor genuinely enjoys hearing what Rose has to think. She's so different from him, I think her perspective delights him.

Re: Things Continue to Progress part 3

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It's true, it's hard for them to celebrate their anniversaries, in fact, even in this fic, Rose isn't sure how long they've been together.

I had the Doctor pause because I thought he was hesitating before correcting her like a know-it-all when he was hoping to stay happy with her. But I can see how it seemed as if Rose was really the one keeping count.

Hahahaha! He is barefoot, but the teacups fall a long way away from them. ;-)

It's true, milk turning sour is a convenient time-measuring method! I figure it's the same on a TARDIS as in real life!

I think Rose never asks what he says because she likes that it's so special that it doesn't even get translated. Basically, this way, it's everything she can imagine and more, and it's special that it's just for her, completely and utterly. And, later, when she has kids and she asks them about Gallifreyan, she starts to learn that the language doesn't translate well, so the Doctor couldn't really translate it for her anyway.

I don't think Rose ever learns Gallifreyan, in my world it's too difficult for any brain but a Gallifreyan brain to wrap itself around.

As for the vows, they were vows of commitment and devotion. I don't think the Time Lords really had marriage vows the way we do, and I don't think they're especially romantic, but I think they were meaningful to the Doctor because they were the closest vows he could come up with from his heritage.

Re: Things Continue to Progress part 2

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I didn't really have ideas as to what the Doctor meant when he referred to the shags. In fact, I really kind of wanted things that were vague enough that anyone could fill in the blanks with what they thought was hot (like you just did in that paragraph!).

Yeah, I never really have Rose tease the Doctor in front of her mum. I think that would be too much for both of them! As for the line you're referring to, I think in "College" Brem says that his father always says that tea is the foundation of civilization, or something. You're right, I guess we'll find out in the re-read! :-)

Re: Tings Continue to Progress

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You're right that part of the trick, with all of the stories really, is to convey an entire idea about their lives by just showing one scene out of it. The Chaosverse is one long saga, and it's all of the stories interlocking that give you the full, correct picture.

Hahahahaha! I like the image of the Doctor fixing the console naked, but I actually don't think he's undressed all that often. I think that clothes are an armor for the Doctor, and that, even through all his time with Rose, he never loses the need to feel put-together in that manner. Rose has some comment about how, in a life full of fluctuations, her kids seem to fixate on their clothing, like they need one thing to stay the same around them, and I think that's true about the Doctor, that he clings to his "costume," so to speak, because it's a solid point for him in a life that keeps changing. Rose is also a solid point for him, of course, but the clothes are nice and easy for him. And I think that's why it's so meaningful for Rose when he's undressed around her, because it's the shedding of that last little piece of iron-clad control that he tries to cling to. He doesn't need his armor when he's with Rose.

And yeah, I don't think he's ever less than perfectly dressed around Jackie (at least, willingly). And I can't imagine him in jeans and a T-shirt. I don't think Rose could, either! She wouldn't know what to make of that!

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I'll admit that these are some of the stories I don't read as often, not really sure why. I do -love- "Everywhere" for the reasons you stated: it's the crucial moment in their relationship. Going back to the question from last week, I think I've always felt that the relationship between Ten and Rose began after TGiTF, an episode that I really liked. I think Reinette was the Doctor's last effort to convince himself that he wasn't in love with Rose, but then look who he fell for: a smart, independent, brave Blonde. I think he was really hoping Rose would just leave and he made himself believe that he could deal with it, but when the time came, he just couldn't, and I think you really capture all of this very well in the story. :)

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You make a good point, that the Doctor, left to his own devices, immediately found a woman eerily similar to Rose to focus his attention on. Ah, Doctor, what a mess he was in that episode. I think it does make his actions easier to take if he and Rose weren't in a relationship already, so that you don't have the cheating angle to overcome.

"Things Continue to Progress" & "A Supernatural Excursion"

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"Things Continue to Progress"

-Hmm, I can't say I ever thought back on this during all of those tea drinking scenes, though I guess kind of always thought the punchline of this piece was that the Doctor was so distracted by sex and Rose that he didn't notice he'd put spoiled milk in his tea? Though in hindsight perhaps there should be a follow-up to this with tea at Jackie's, lol.

-This is definitely a very sexy look for the Doctor (possibly only improved with brainy-specs).

"A Supernatural Excursion"

I think this is actually the first time I've read through this fic properly. I've never seen Supernatural, and I think that put me off a bit. I think I read up until they actually start hunting the, uh, lupine-wavelength haemovariform/werewolf. But I'm glad I've read it now :)

-Hmmm, in cannon I guess I always assumed they were talking about Rose as Bad Wolf. Despite that the Doctor "took it out of her," I always got the impression that the effects were long reaching. For me, Bad Wolf is a nice way to explain why the Doctor and Rose always make it out of so many close calls: she ensured that they'd always be okay during her brief stint as the Bad Wolf. The beauty of fanfiction is that it can mean whatever, though it always makes me think of TheLastWord's Something!verse (on whofic, I feel like her lj name is different). I feel like she basically molded that series around that line.

-Hmm, I think I dismissed her carrying a gun based on the fact that it's a crossover fic. Though now that you've pointed it out it does seem a little out of character. Especially if they're trying to get the poor thing to go with them. I'm not sure the Doctor would want it to think it was being escorted at gun-point. Perhaps some other type of insurance would be more in character? UV flashlight perhaps, lol? Something mostly harmless.

-Jealous Doctor is amazing in this fic. He's humorous and heartbreaking all at the same time. I think “I’m over 900 years old and a Time Lord and this is still all very new. Forgive me if sometimes I think you might want someone closer to your own age…and species.” is my favorite line in this whole fic, and the conversation that accompanies it is brilliant. You do a really nice job of capturing the different sides of the Doctor, not only in this part but the conversation about being lucky at the end too.

"Everywhere"

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"Everywhere"

I always thought it was interesting that you wrote a post GitF fic, seeing as you don't always have a companion chaosverse fic for every cannon episode, and it would have been so easy to leave out to avoid the angst and awkwardness. But honestly, I think you handle it very nicely. And in hindsight I think this fic almost has to happen at some point. It wouldn't be The Doctor if he didn't have a moment of panic before committing to the domestic life he shares with Rose.

-I buy Rose forgiving the Doctor here because I think she realizes that this is the Doctor's moment of panic, and it's not fueled by lust or desire for another woman, but out of love and fear for her and her humanness. And of course, she loves him, so she doesn't really want to go. I think it's very real of her to forgive him simply because of that. Plus, she knows it's something they can work through because they love each other, not something that's going to fall apart because they don't.

-I like GitF, mostly. In fact, my only real problem is that it seems very irresponsible for the Doctor to want to invite Reinette to travel with them (though as a male friend of mine once pointed out, Time Lord responsibility has nothing on epic cleavage). I enjoy GitF fanfic because I think due to the timing of the episode there's a lot to write about. For instance, whose idea was the horse? It could easily have been Rose's. Did she ask to come with him? Plus the fact that it follows School Reunion does explain a lot about why the Doctor might be motivated to distance himself from Rose. However, I don't like GitF fics where Rose basically goes of and cries and has a woe-is-me moment. I feel like she almost has to confront him and end the discussion on friendly terms because by the beginning of the next episode they're back in the "We're the Doctor and Rose, and we can't hear you over the sound of how OTP we are" club. I think some writers take the "I'm upset over this episode, so Rose must be too" approach to this episode, and I honestly think she's fairly understanding of what he's going through (Though I guess her reaction does depend on whether they're sleeping together or not, or even if they're a couple or not). Basically what I'm saying is I like GitF fic, but it can easily be handled poorly.

Anyway, looking forward to next week's fics! :D

Re: "Everywhere"

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Yeah, it's true, not every episode has a Chaosverse companion. But I've always thought GitF is such a rich episode, with so much that could be done with it. And you're right, this fight really is something that they desperately needed to have, they needed to clear the air and be honest with how they feel about each other.

Yeah, I think you're right about Rose's forgiveness of the Doctor. She loves him, so she's inclined to forgive him, but she also understands him, she always has, so she knows he's in panic mode.

There is a lot of wiggle room in GitF, a lot of room for interpretation and speculation about what happens in it, and what happens between it and School Reunion. The fact that it comes right after School Reunion really illuminates GitF. And I think Rose is upset, but she's too strong and self-confident to let him get away it. (Or she hasn't reached that level yet, but I think then she can't have a relationship with him, really.)

Re: "Things Continue to Progress" & "A Supernatural Excursion"

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The punchline definitely was the spoiled milk, I definitely dropped the ball when it came to remembering this during tea parties. But there really should have been some sort of follow-up on my part!

Awww, I like the spin that they make it out of scrapes because Bad Wolf fixed it for them! That's just lovely!

Hmm, a UV flashlight is clever. It could have been that the fact that this was a crossover fic threw me off a little bit, so that I didn't notice how weird it was to have Rose lugging around a silver-bulleted gun.

Poor Doctor. I think it's a legitimate fear of his. Rose thinks he's the most amazing thing in the universe, and that's exactly why the Doctor fears she might not want a relationship with him.

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Things Continue to Progress

I really do love this story. The Doctor and Rose are just so charmingly sweet and in love in it and I adore the idea of them counting in shags! SO CUTE!

YES YES YES YES YES You need to run this ficathon. It would be AMAZING.

A Supernatural Excursion

I have to admit this is probably one of my least favourite chaosverse stories. That's mainly because I don't watch Supernatural though so for me reading this fic is effort. That being said, it's got some amazing dialogue and some great moments.


What are your thoughts on the "something of the wolf about her"? What did the line mean in canon? What should it mean in fanfiction?
In the series I always took that literally to mean Bad Wolf - to allude to the fact that it wasn't completely gone. Although now that' you've asked the question I kind of want to look up qualities and characteristics of wolves and see what might apply to Rose's overall personality and temperament.

Do you have any particular bits of this fic that you find hilarious the way I do?
I found the "two penises" conversations to be quite hilarious. Partly because the face I picture DT making is rather hysterical.

Everywhere

Do you love GitF? Do you hate GitF? Regardless of how you feel about it, how do you think this fic does dealing with GitF? I've always quite liked this episode. Ignoring the implications it has for the D/R relationship for just a moment, it's a beautiful episode. The story with Reinette is sad and beautiful and heartbreaking and I really quite like it. It's like a fairytale really and the way it's shot is just beautiful in my option. I love what you do with it here though: This is a huge turning point for them and I love that you deal with the implications head on. I always thought he got off too easy at the end of that episode.

Do you buy Rose forgiving the Doctor here? Or do you think she gave in too easily? Yes absolutely. He's so sincere, how can she not? Also, I think once she spoke her mind and once she was sure he'd heard her say it, she would be able to let it go, especially since he truly listened to her and then was honest with her about his feelings. It's the honesty here that is SO important I think. Anyway, I do love this story. It's beautifully written and very well done!

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I found the "two penises" conversations to be quite hilarious. Partly because the face I picture DT making is rather hysterical.
Omg, I can just picture that. I agree, that's one of my favorite parts.

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It's actually interesting to me that so many people find the SPN fic difficult because of the SPN angle. I mean, it makes sense, but for some reason I didn't realize how much SPN was in the fic. Probably because I actually did watch SPN at the time.

It's just always been interesting to me, because it's not necessarily true that holding the Vortex inside of her made Rose wolfish. OR DID IT?

Ha! It's so much easier to write dialogue for characters when you have the picture of such expressive actors in your mind's eye.

I think GitF is the turning point of the whole season for them. From that point on, it's the-Doctor-and-Rose. I've always thought, in the spaces between episodes, where fanfiction breathes, that there had to be something that went on.

I think you're right that it makes it much easier to Rose to forgive the Doctor when she feels like he's actually listened to her.

Things Continue to Progress

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Did you ever think back to this story at any of the many, many times my Doctor drinks a cup of tea?

Nope. Honestly, it never occurred to me. The ganache later definitely had staying power when being referenced, but the tea was a bit... weak. (If you'll pardon the pun.) I read so many fics that I tend not to associate multiple fics together without there being a direct reference in the story.

What are your favorite bits of this particular little fic?

Rose's teasing and the Doctor's reaction. Definitely, definitely! '“A cuppa?” she suggested, innocently, and then leaned forward again. “Oh, yes,” he hissed out, his hand fisting in her hair.' I love his reaction to that situation. She could've said absolutely anything and he would've agreed.

Re: Things Continue to Progress

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I actually remembered the thing with the ganache, so I think I did a better job of threading that through the fics. The tea thing I totally forgot about.

Yeah, it's a good thing Rose is nice and doesn't take too much advantage of him! :-)

A Supernatural Excursion

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I also like how Sam says "Doctor what?" instead of "Doctor who?"

I had to go back and check just to make sure, but Rose said the same thing in the first episode. I remember thinking that it made her special in a show called 'Doctor Who' not to fall into the expected response.
I felt so bad for the Doctor right after Sam and Dean shot the werewolf. He almost got another day where everybody lived, almost.

What are your thoughts on the "something of the wolf about her"? What did the line mean in canon? What should it mean in fanfiction?

I always liked to think that there was still a bit of vortex in Rose and that was being referenced, but there was never really anything to prove that until season 4. Even then it was just a title, there was never any physical proof that Rose retained anything, which really is a shame. There was so much potential there, though I guess the potential remains. At any point they could bring Rose back for any reason, do just about anything to her, and blame it on the Bad Wolf. Maybe if Billie Piper had stayed on for more seasons they would have played with all of that a bit more. *sigh* But that's what fanfics are for, right? All of the could've, should've, would've's. It's a beautiful thing! ^_^

The Doctor has Rose carrying a gun in this fic. Thoughts on that? I admit I wrote it without really giving thought to the Doctor's aversion to guns. Did any of you find it noteworthy here in this fic?

The Doctor's been known to use violence, I think that's why he hates to carry weapons, they would be too much of a temptation to use. I would equal Rose with the gun full of silver bullets with the Doctor's anti-plastic in 'Rose.' Of course, he “wasn't gonna use it.”

Do you have any particular bits of this fic that you find hilarious the way I do?

-Besides the fact that it's a Supernatural crossover? How about ALL OF IT!!
-“The Doctor felt his dimples quirk. Because he was determined to be annoyed, and not find Rose adorable.” She's so got him wrapped around her little finger, hehehe.
-I love how Dean calls Rose 'Rosie,' it's just so Jack and you can never, never have too much Jack. Now there's an idea, we need more crossover fics where Dean meets Jack. I picture a little something like this: http://nimloth87.deviantart.com/gallery/26559361#/d2dt45f
-“I told him you had two penises.” I can't help it, I will always think of Jackie Tyler in TCI.
-“Welllllll, you were…fluttering your eyelashes about, and you know how that…butters parsnips.” Extra,extra credit for the Doctor quoting David Tennant.

Re: A Supernatural Excursion

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Oh, I didn't realize Rose said "Doctor what?" I really like that!

And yeah, he was going for an "everybody lives" sort of day. He didn't quite get there, alas.

You're right, maybe Billie Piper leaving put a cramp in whatever they were going to examine with her lingering Bad-Wolf-ness. But I do feel like it gets raised in T&C and then never brought up again until S4.

You know, on the subject of guns, you're very right, it's not like the Doctor really is a pacifist. It reminds me of the part in AGMGTW when he says something like, "I'm not a good man. Good men don't need as many rules as I have." Or something like that. But it's very true. He doesn't carry a gun not necessarily because he doesn't like guns, but because he recognizes how tempting it would be to use it.

The power Rose has over the Doctor is astonishing, so the Doctor tries not to think about it too much.

I like your Dean/Jack comparison. I never thought about that before!

The "two penises" idea first came to me from Jackie Tyler, I confess.

At a certain point, the Doctor and David Tennant begin to blend together, don't they? ;-)

Everywhere

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Do you love GitF? Do you hate GitF? Regardless of how you feel about it, how do you think this fic does dealing with GitF?

The actual episode was never really one of my favorites. The fics that center around it, on the other hand, are usually ones that I love reading, regardless of how they end. I think that point in the series is truly a turning point for the Doctor and Rose in their relationship, even in cannon. After that episode they seem much closer and the Doctor seems to, if not acknowledge their closeness, at least stop pulling away from her. I think you do a wonderful job reflecting that in your fic. “He did not let himself betray anything. At least, he hoped he didn’t. He kept fiddling. “Drive you away from where?” he asked.” I could see the 11th Doctor saying something like this to Amy. Trying to pretend ignorance to get out of an emotional confrontation. Too bad for him that Rose knows him just a bit better.

Do you buy Rose forgiving the Doctor here? Or do you think she gave in too easily?

I love how you write angry Rose, it's beautiful. The Oncoming Storm's got nothing on a Rose pissed at the Doctor. “I’m walking away,” she said, without looking back at him. And when she closed the door behind her, it was with a soft and gentle click. That, right there... it's just... perfect. It just made me want to stand up and applaud her.

I don't think she forgave him too quickly, I think it was just right. Rose is all heart, she always has been, and when you hear a line like “I am all alone. In the entire universe, I am all alone. All I have is you. Please. Don’t go.” I don't think anyone could resist that. It just screams of puppy-dog eyes and I have the overwhelming urge to hug something.

I really think that Rose and the Doctor needed something like GitF as a catalyst for the next step in their relationship. I think without a shove they would have floundered in the safety they had together without actually talking about the issues that each of them have. The Doctor and his fear of commitment, fear of watching Rose grow old, of losing her, of having to go on alone with that pain. Rose's feelings of inadequacy, of being less than worthy of being by his side, always afraid that one day he'd realize that she's not what he wants and send her home.

It's all so very them . Before they were best friends that shagged and loved each other, but never said it. They were in an unnamed kind of relationship. It makes sense that when they crossed into actually being a couple it would be with a bang. Like how their first time together was during an earthquake, this just fits their pattern.

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It's true that the GitF fics do seem to be especially rich, I think because there's so much emotional turmoil to be dealt with there. And good point about the Doctor's avoidance being more effective with someone who doesn't know him as well as Rose knows him.

I admit that my favorite detail in this whole fic is that Rose doesn't slam the door. Rose has started to emotionally disengage from him, and that soft click drives it home to the Doctor.

Yeah, the Doctor is difficult to resist when he's got those weepy eyes. And he means it, he's not manipulating her, which I think she knows him well enough by now to recognize.

And yeah, sometimes you have to hurt each other to grow closer together, because it's the only way they were ever going to grow.

I love the idea of it fitting their pattern!

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About Everywhere...

I LOVE this fic. I may have read this one more times than anything else you've written. It just WORKS. I totally buy Ten being terrified and desperate not to lose Rose, even as he's making such stupid decisions. I am not a GitF fan, but this fic solves that for me.

You are so right when you say their relationship is fragile here - it so could have gone either way. And I think it speaks to the strength of Rose's character that she's willing to risk it all by confronting him instead of sweeping it under the rug the way he's trying to do. I absolutely don't think she gave in too easily. She risked losing him entirely by giving him an ultimatum and bringing all this out into the open, and their relationship is so much stronger for it. It also breaks my heart a little that he still can't say "I love you" and instead plays the "you're all I have card". That's how I read it, anyway.

I would love to see you give some more exploration to the Doctor initially having massive doubts about this relationship, now that you mention it!

Thank you for this fic.

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There's a lot of love out there for Everywhere, and that makes me very happy! I'm so glad it helps to solve GitF for you!

You make a good point, that Rose really risked it all here. She really does put it all on the line. I love that.

The Doctor has such difficulty with "I love you." I genuinely think it's not a word Gallifreyans really had. And I think that to him it translates as, "You're everything," which is the point he tries to get across here.

I should think some more about the Doctor's doubts!